you completely missed my point. it's application based, meaning they control the flow of new customers with applications, they also state on their EPVP thread it's pretty much slotted/private. when it's app based, you can pretty much control how many users you have coming in, unlike when you have it where people can purchase whenever. also, they haven't even checked my application and my EPVP rep is stacked and I am previous staff elsewhere, have tons of rep with other providers; my app is not the problem. like I said on my OP, I asked how long it usually takes, I am not worried about not getting accepted, that won't be a issue.